Topic: Who uses charcoal burners

kaputtnik Joined: 2013-02-18, 20:48 Posts: 2017 One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2021-04-04, 18:17 I have the feeling that charcoal burners are not used much often. And they are really ineffective, at least the empire charcoal burner. Should they be more effective? Say making coal out of 3 logs instead of 6? Top Quote

Nordfriese Joined: 2017-01-17, 18:07 Posts: 1222 One Elder of Players Location: 0x55555d3a34c0	Posted at: 2021-04-04, 18:28 As long as one has a good number of functional coal mines, one doesn't need charcoal kilns, and I guess one would still not use them if they were cheaper. They are really needed only on maps with little coal in the ground. I often build lots of charcoal kilns on such maps, but only later in the game, when I invariably have thousands of logs in my warehouses. Then they ensure a steady coal supply, and their relative inefficiency and expensiveness does not matter since you should by then have the resources to easily afford running many of them. So I think they are fine as they are. Also, making them more efficient would disadvantage the Frisians, whose cheaper and faster charcoal kilns are unique among the tribes. Top Quote

WorldSavior Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 1870 One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2021-04-04, 19:51 Nordfriese wrote: As long as one has a good number of functional coal mines, one doesn't need charcoal kilns, and I guess one would still not use them if they were cheaper. They are really needed only on maps with little coal in the ground. I often build lots of charcoal kilns on such maps, but only later in the game, when I invariably have thousands of logs in my warehouses. Then they ensure a steady coal supply, and their relative inefficiency and expensiveness does not matter since you should by then have the resources to easily afford running many of them. So I think they are fine as they are. Also, making them more efficient would disadvantage the Frisians, whose cheaper and faster charcoal kilns are unique among the tribes. +1 Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

hessenfarmer Joined: 2014-12-11, 23:16 Posts: 1681 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria	Posted at: 2021-04-05, 21:07 Nordfriese wrote: As long as one has a good number of functional coal mines, one doesn't need charcoal kilns, and I guess one would still not use them if they were cheaper. They are really needed only on maps with little coal in the ground. I often build lots of charcoal kilns on such maps, but only later in the game, when I invariably have thousands of logs in my warehouses. Then they ensure a steady coal supply, and their relative inefficiency and expensiveness does not matter since you should by then have the resources to easily afford running many of them. So I think they are fine as they are. Also, making them more efficient would disadvantage the Frisians, whose cheaper and faster charcoal kilns are unique among the tribes. That would have been exactly my reply as well. Maybe this would make for a nice little economy tournament As we hadn't one since some time. Do we have a no coal map anywhere? Top Quote

WorldSavior Joined: 2016-10-15, 04:10 Posts: 1870 One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2021-04-05, 21:14 hessenfarmer wrote: Nordfriese wrote: As long as one has a good number of functional coal mines, one doesn't need charcoal kilns, and I guess one would still not use them if they were cheaper. They are really needed only on maps with little coal in the ground. I often build lots of charcoal kilns on such maps, but only later in the game, when I invariably have thousands of logs in my warehouses. Then they ensure a steady coal supply, and their relative inefficiency and expensiveness does not matter since you should by then have the resources to easily afford running many of them. So I think they are fine as they are. Also, making them more efficient would disadvantage the Frisians, whose cheaper and faster charcoal kilns are unique among the tribes. That would have been exactly my reply as well. Maybe this would make for a nice little economy tournament As we hadn't one since some time. Do we have a no coal map anywhere? Pick that and remove the coal? : ) Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

einstein13 Joined: 2013-07-29, 00:01 Posts: 1118 One Elder of Players Location: Poland	Posted at: 2021-04-06, 16:45 hessenfarmer wrote: Maybe this would make for a nice little economy tournament As we hadn't one since some time. Do we have a no coal map anywhere? https://www.widelands.org/maps/colonies_nocoal/ Probably also a very good fit for this type of the tournament: managing country split betweens different sites, boats and so on. I can't remember exactly how was the coal supply in the starting position resolved, but for sure in the other part of the world, there is no coal at all, but plenty of room for trees. einstein13 calculations & maps packages: http://wuatek.no-ip.org/~rak/widelands/ backup website files: http://kartezjusz.ddns.net/upload/widelands/ Top Quote

kaputtnik Joined: 2013-02-18, 20:48 Posts: 2017 One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2021-04-06, 17:51 hessenfarmer wrote: Maybe this would make for a nice little economy tournament As we hadn't one since some time. Very good idea! Top Quote

treehugger Joined: 2020-09-06, 20:25 Posts: 4 Just found this site	Posted at: 2021-04-09, 21:44 Another use for the charcoal burners is when coal deposits are very far away and you need a little bit of coal in the beginning of the game to get your economy started. You only need a bit of extra coal for some tools and lime, so efficiency does not matter much. You only need about 10 to 20 extra coal for some buildings and tools. Later in the game the coals goes to weapons production and the foot production to train the soldiers, but neither of those are applicable without having iron ore too. Top Quote