Topic: "Northmen" Tribe Page

There are quite a lot of hints in the scenario to move building materials East. I did once escape, but that was a long time ago, AI and the enemy have improved since, as at that time I could build a ship or at least the sails earlier. Farms are not so much of a drawback, I mange with about 12 on most maps where Barbarians also need about 12. The rate of sea rise does seem a bit quicker now but it is a storm surge, still a little more time would be helpful, spending hours to fail by a couple of minutes is disheartning.

I played the Frisians (badly) in the current competition which is a bit tight on space for some Frisian buildings, biggest problems were micro managing soldiers, but at least there is a baseline to beat.

I was planning last year to work on graphics, until life got in the way, I have a lighter brick texture and was going to add more of a reed colour for the roofs, as well as my personal problems I never got the blend files, are they in the media repo now?

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Uploaded all the blender files to the media repo this morning. I created my own brick-texture (included, hopefully); for the roof, cobblestones etc I used images from graphics/stock_sources/blender_resources/Materials/textures.

I need about as many farms with frisians as I need corn+blackroot farms when playing atlanteans, so I think barley growth isn´t too slow. The stormflood really is a bit fast currently, I´ll slow it down in my frisians-tweak branch.

You also need to make sure that you have a hammer so that you can occupy the shipyard, because you start without a shipwright. If you don't have one in reserve, you need to build a Blacksmithy and wait for that too.

For all tribes, the in-game ware encyclopedia says about the hammer: "Make sure you’ve always got some in reserve!"
Not having one is always a mistake…

@Tinker: Would you like to upload your frisians village starting condition to the frisians-tweak branch or attach it to the bug report?

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Ah, I didn´t see Tinker´s branch before… I thought he hadn´t uploaded the frisians-village yet. I´ll just merge his branch into mine then

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waves to fellow female

It would have been fine to just review Tinker's branch separately - smaller diffs are always good.

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WorldSavior wrote:

That is a good idea, because in the early game you have to wait a lot until the first barley is harvested. But faster growth will not speed the production speed of the farm significantly up.

I suggested to do the latter and do it again. Imperial farms, corn farms and blackroot farms produce between 45 and 50 wares per hour, and barbarian wheat farms are the slow ones with ca. 36. But compared to frisian farms they are very fast, as those produce ca. 24. Makes not much sense.

Despite of that I don't like if somebody is denying sense in somebody elses work, the productivity of the barley farm is very low. But how do you calcualte your numbers. from the lua file it seems that the actual numbers are worse than that. According to the lua files an empire or atlantean cycle to plant and harvest a ware lasts 40 seconds plus walking, for the barbarians it lasts 70 seconds and for the frisians it lasts 260 seconds but produces two wares, so yes probabaly we should not speed up the growth but the production cycle of the farm.

hessenfarmer wrote:

I have done a lot of experiments and I think one way to get a better balance might be the build costs. I had reduced them for some of the buildings in a test branch and this showed very promising results. reason is it is not so much about cost it is about time to build the buildings if there is too much materials that need to be used for the building.

Changing only the build costs will not be enough for making a correct balance of the tribe...

As I wrote we should try to improve the balance and make it better, I never said it would be perfect. In my opinion there isn't one single correct balance. it is just a matter which measurement we decide to be the basis for balance. In my opinion the current tournament organised by einstein is a pretty good measurement for a tribes balance even though it is restricted by the influence of the map and the time when you do the measurements. But basically the ability to produce x soldiers per time unit is the key criterion for balancing in my eyes. Therefore I suggested the reduction of the buildcost to be able to build more buildings in the same amount of time. Surely we should have a look in the production cycles (like for the farms) as well. the good thing in focussing on competitive speed is we don't need to change anything in the innovative and well suited economy cycle of the frisians and we do not need to change the character of the tribe. So any observations and sugestions to improve the speed of the tribe up to a competitive level while keeping its character and economy should be very welcome. They surely are the more welcome the more they are formulated in a positive manner.

You also need to make sure that you have a hammer so that you can occupy the shipyard, because you start without a shipwright. If you don't have one in reserve, you need to build a Blacksmithy and wait for that too.

For all tribes, the in-game ware encyclopedia says about the hammer: "Make sure you’ve always got some in reserve!"

That's not the best encyclopedia hint of all time...

Not having one is always a mistake…

No, it's not. Why should it be?

Perhaps it is not always a mistake but there are a lot of occasions where you will be glad to have a hammer ready and not need to wait for one to be made.

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