Topic: Trees and Terrains
kaputtnik
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Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master  One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2015-07-08, 23:09
Maybe this would be a good exercise to learn lua scripting: Make a script that reads out any possible values and ask which you want to change. Depending on the choice step over the values in the corresponding file(s), provide the actual value and a prompt to enter the new value. Just a thought.... Fight simulator for Widelands: 
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einstein13
Joined: 2013-07-28, 23:01
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Posted at: 2015-07-09, 01:03
I was scripting some things in LUA, but it wasn't easy einstein13
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king_of_nowhere
Joined: 2014-09-15, 17:35
Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2015-07-09, 01:32
yeah, if i can't copyy-paste it from the ods file, it's faster to write it manually than to learn a new script and write a script to read values from an ods file. actually, at the moment my problem is that stupid windows 8 won't let me change the lua file in its folder. i can save a copy in documents, but i cannot change the file in the program. despite having admin priviileges - I'm not sure what they are, since wondows still thinks it knows what i want to do better than i do, which is quite insulting. i swear, if linux was just a bit easier to use, i would go for it. anyway, rant aside, i know all i have to do is mannuyally terminate the program that is actually stopping me from overwriting. I only need to ask my brother whih one it is, so one of those days i'll certainly manage it. from what i've seen, one mistake of how the values were made is that an attempt was made to express the temperature in kelvin. the way the growth is calculated, the gaussian has a width that is proportional to the absolute value of the parameter it uses. so a tree with a pickyness of 0.6 (many palms have that or lower) and an optimal temperature of 300 will grow fairly well from 360 to 240, and that's why palms grow on snow.
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DragonAtma
Joined: 2014-09-14, 00:54
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Posted at: 2015-07-09, 04:03
Do what I do and install it somewhere else; I recommend C:/Games/Widelands1234 (or whatever the current version number is).
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kaputtnik
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Posted at: 2015-07-09, 07:41
My idea would let you enter the values manually. It would also prevent suddenly changing the layout or enter values to wrong keys
Is there a shell (a window with a prompt) in win8? If so you could may copy the widelands data to a destination where you have all the rights and start widelands from the shell with: In this way you have the original files untouched and you could start widelands with your changed configuration. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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wl-zocker
Joined: 2011-12-30, 16:37
Posts: 495 Tribe Member Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2015-07-09, 07:57
So would it make sense to use our own temperature scale, ranging from -50°W to 50°W (degree Widelands) and simply shift all current values (if current values are between 240K and 340K, subtract 290). This could already have a big impact on the trees' distribution, without having to think of many new values.
A general problem of Microsoft - their target group seem to be "simple" users. On Win7, I can right click on the folder which contains the lua files, choose properties, remove the box/tick from write-protected (not sure about the English term). This works for me, but I have admin rights. I'm not familiar with Windows 8, sorry.
I think it's not that hard, it's just different. I must admit that I have to google my problems, but I usually find a solution. You can use "Wubi" to try it out - the installation is rather easy. "Only few people know how much one has to know in order to know how little one knows." - Werner Heisenberg
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kaputtnik
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Posted at: 2015-07-09, 08:28
I agree, learning linux has steep learning curve. In the beginning it could be hard (f.e. if some of the hardware wouldn't work as well). For myself i needed ca 1/2 to 1 year to get into it (at least the choice of the right desktop took a lot of time). And linux has much more choices than the "right" desktop
Here i disagree. "wubi" is a bad thing and make mostly problems. Most beginners to linux boot linux a few times but in the end they boot windows, just because they know it better and they don't want the freedom of choice in such a huge way. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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einstein13
Joined: 2013-07-28, 23:01
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Posted at: 2015-07-09, 08:37
That will be more human-redable. SirVer, who wrote the first version of those files, choose values as Widelands-Kelvin which is more prefferable for physicists. For most people Widelands-Celcius will be better
General answers for your problem are given. For older versions of widelands (about 7300 and earlier), you could simply copy all files to another directory and work on them as valid copy of Widelands. I did that few times. Then you run .exe file from copied files. Now I am not sure if Widelands is using files from its folder or from folder given while installing.
Linux is tricky (I use Ubuntu at work and sometimes Gentoo as server). Basic commands are ok, but if you want to make something else, you have to read and read and try and ... it will not work Edited: 2015-07-09, 08:38
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GunChleoc
Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56
Posts: 3324 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect |
Posted at: 2015-07-09, 11:46
As a Linux beginner, I recommend Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. It's basically an Ubuntu, but they made the user interface look as much like Windows as possible. I think setting it up as a dual-boot or a pendrive Linux is a good idea, since then you can still use your Windows if you're in a hurry to do stuff. Also, if you have an OEM Windows, it won't create problems if you want to return to it. Busy indexing nil values
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king_of_nowhere
Joined: 2014-09-15, 17:35
Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2015-07-10, 12:39
i treid the new init file but it's not working. it reports an error message "tribe barbarians: [c:/data/bzr/widelands/working/src/scripting/lua_errors.cc:22] [string "world/init.lua"]:2: attempt to index global 'world' (a nil value) I changed nothing except the values, and going to new lines for every new terrain for ease of reading.
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But it is just an idea to someone how is interested in learning lua scripting.
