Topic: Lutas' Atlanteans

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hessenfarmer wrote

With the more balanced values for an untrained soldier, it might be considerable to increase the starting amount of Lutas's atlanteans soldiers a bit as the reduced amount in the starting conditions was to compensate for the advantage of an untrained soldier of Satul's atlanteans.

Yes, I had the same idea. I will try to play few games in the next few days to see how the setting works. Maybe 40 should be fine? They should have a cheap first level health training and still should be the strongest soldiers among all basic soldiers.

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I uploaded an updated version 1.0.1. There is a new more balanced soldier, his strength should be approximately on the same level as strength of a standard Atlantean soldier (this change is related to point 7 in my first post) and woodcutter is only 3 seconds faster now (change related to point 2 in my first post). As the changes in the tribe economy are rather small, it should be as well balanced as the original tribe is. I tried few games and everything was fine.

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OIPUN wrote

I should probably turn this tribe modification into a completely new tribe . What do you think ?

+1 ... 100% ... 1000% ! Do it ! You go the same Way that i go with the Empire aka Romans Tribe. Unfortually i didn't release it yet.

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The now uploaded version 1.0.2 enables to play Lutas' Atlanteans as a new independent tribe, so the official Atlanteans are still available in this version. As for the new Atlantean tribe, these changes were made:

1. (+) New small mines added. They have the completely same efficiency as the deep ones but smaller working area (3 instead of 4) and can exploit only 35% of available resources, need only 2 workers and can be enhanced to the deep ones once empty.
2. (++) Woodcutters are 5 seconds faster.
3. (+) You get one log for dismantling guardhouse, not only one granite.
4. (-) There is a new training site for health – Temple. It is occupied by two priestesses (carrier+tabard).
5. (-) Health can be upgraded up to level 2, so Lutas' Atlanteans' soldiers have a 10 grade soldier training as other tribes do.
6. (+) The temple is causing that the sea around the temple (working area 13) is giving seashells, while soldiers are trained. The seashells can be collected by fishers for meat.
7. (0) Newly, training of defence pays off more, because it is expensive. Training of health also pay off more. First level of health is very cheap, second costs you already 2 gold bars for golden tabard. While without mineral resources you are still able to train soldiers up to HE1 EV2 AT0 DE0 (and the soldier is just a little bit stronger than HE0 EV2 AT0 DE0 soldier of the official Atlanteans). Without gold you can train up to HE1 EV2 AT3 DE1, which is much stronger than the official HE0 EV2 AT2 DE1.
8. (--) The soldier training is more expensive, it costs you 4 diamonds, one tabard (corn+water) more, two iron less and two smoked fish/meat more but you get 2 pieces of meat in the form of seashells for health training back. As a compensation, you can also decide whether you will use smoked fish, meat or bread for health training.
9. (-) The buildings related to soldier training will cost you more planks to compensate the faster woodcutters. The basic buildings have the same build costs, which makes Poor Hamlet faster (the official Atlanteans are terribly slow with just one woodcutter). The castle is also more expensive and in this case for both tribes.
10. (0) The HQ in standard starting conditions has one quartz and one saw less and 40 soldiers.
11. (0) Programs of buildings has changed. Sleeping time moved at the beginning before consumption, working and production. Sleeping time in the middle makes the program and working animations messy. I applied similar logic in Sumatran programs, with the only difference that the sleeping time was moved to the end in this case.

In general, playing the official tribe should be easier and especially in the later game the official Atlanteans should be much stronger, at least when there is enough iron and gold ore in the surrounded mountains.

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