Topic: Bugs

dreieck wrote:

Nordfriese wrote:

I did nothing else and the constructionsites of the zitadels the reed farmers and the farmer and every other site shown in the PNG file were finished.

Ok, then that might not be a bug after all here…

But then, why do the construction sites not get the wood if I isolate them into a seperate economy with some woodcutters (and a few unrelated buildings) only as shown in the 2nd screenshot?

They should get the wood from this local economy then!

OK, when I let it run for a long time after isolation they also get the wood eventually. I just did not notice because it seems quite some time before reallocation occurs; the wood which is available in this isolated economy does not get delivered for quite some time.

So not a bug here, but it shows that ware allocation could be smarter .. in general, to prefer local wares if they become available and reallocate if it makes delivery faster.

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Nordfriese wrote:

What causes that wares are carried out of the ports to the flag if I destroy another port?

Apparently (I didn´t check), there were some wares in the port you destroy that were waiting to be shipped. Since these were destroyed as well, other wares now have to be sent to the destination. The other ports then put some of their storage into their portdock, which looks like they put them out and fetch them back in.

Ah OK, so relocating wares within a harbour is done by putting them out and back in. Did not know that, assumed they take the short way (within the harbour).

I think race conditions should be fixed. They could give rise to errors, corner cases can be hit

Generally yes, but

• Removing this would mean a gamefreeze of several seconds on a big game on a slow machine (potentially every single time a road or flag is destroyed)
• This problem fixes itself within a few seconds
• We´re talking about a time window of a few dozen milliseconds here…

Yes OK, if no bad things can happen even within those few dozen ms -- so maybe changing the log message would be a good solution.

But then, why do the construction sites not get the wood if I isolate them into a seperate economy with some woodcutters (and a few unrelated buildings) only as shown in the 2nd screenshot?

They should get the wood from this local economy then!

On some roads, the carriers did not arrive yet, so the wood can´t be transported to its destination.

Which is not the problem for the part under question (the "Zitadelle" is connected, the "Reethof"s will be connected soon, but still they don't get the wood for a very long time). As I observed, they will be carried eventually. It just seems to take much longer than expected (removing the roads connecting to the rest of the economy -> the logs lying around on flags in the seperate economy should be allocated to contruction sites, as well as next cut-down trees, but they aren't, only after a longer time).

here (file size: ~49 MB) I put a video recording showing that behaviour: The two "Reethof"s and the "Zitadelle" wait for a long time for some wood from another economy. Then, eventually, the wood they wait for becomes deallocated and the wood from the economy where the construction sites are part of becomes allocated, and the construction sites finish. Expected behaviour would be that after seperation into a single economy the wood gets reallocated within a short time (a few seconds max).

And I found that I actually have a replay (it seemed to be saved automatically). There: Replay, Save file corresponding to the replay. The replay is the one which produced above video.

EDIT: I have more and a bit differnt of this kind: Construction sites waiting for wares, enough wares available. Within around 2 hours of gameplay nothing happens. No wares allocated for the construction sites (the symbol is the lighter version). When I set the slider to the left such that no wares to be stored on construction site and then back to the right, some wares then get allocated to the construction site (symbol becomes the darker variant, but not all). And, I found also a wood log lying around at a flag for at least 2 hours of gameplay never getting delivered anywhere (also not to a warehouse, there are warehouses in the economy where the log is lying around). Should I do something to specifically report it, or does it maybe fall already under the case reported about above?

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That message is displayed when there the destination of the route for a ware or worker is not there any more or has been shifted to a different economy, e.g. because a road was cut.

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dreieck wrote:

As I observed, they will be carried eventually. It just seems to take much longer than expected (removing the roads connecting to the rest of the economy -> the logs lying around on flags in the seperate economy should be allocated to contruction sites, as well as next cut-down trees, but they aren't, only after a longer time).

As far as I know the allocation of wares is calculated per ware. each time it reaches a flag node this is redone. Problem is in an economy with lots of ports it may take around the 5 minutes in the video for a ware to arrive at the final port where its route and destination is recalculated. So while aboard a ship nothing is recalculated. And the ships are not serving in a point to point manner.
So for my perspective this isn't a bug it is rather a point on the wishlist.

here (file size: ~49 MB) I put a video recording showing that behaviour: The two "Reethof"s and the "Zitadelle" wait for a long time for some wood from another economy. Then, eventually, the wood they wait for becomes deallocated and the wood from the economy where the construction sites are part of becomes allocated, and the construction sites finish. Expected behaviour would be that after seperation into a single economy the wood gets reallocated within a short time (a few seconds max).

And I found that I actually have a replay (it seemed to be saved automatically). There: Replay, Save file corresponding to the replay. The replay is the one which produced above video.

EDIT: I have more and a bit differnt of this kind: Construction sites waiting for wares, enough wares available. Within around 2 hours of gameplay nothing happens. No wares allocated for the construction sites (the symbol is the lighter version). When I set the slider to the left such that no wares to be stored on construction site and then back to the right, some wares then get allocated to the construction site (symbol becomes the darker variant, but not all).

could you please specify where this constructionsite is located and waht is constructed there?

And, I found also a wood log lying around at a flag for at least 2 hours of gameplay never getting delivered anywhere (also not to a warehouse, there are warehouses in the economy where the log is lying around). Should I do something to specifically report it, or does it maybe fall already under the case reported about above?

Which log do you mean? I also noticed a log lying in front of the right one of the three citadels in the video. I will let runn the original game to see whether this is reallocated somewhere and eventually fetched.

BTW did this savegame result from a normal save operation?

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I did a rerun of the game for another attempt now. the log I was referring to eventually got moved after an hour of adiitional game time. Nothing abnormal happened when I played the game.

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