Topic: Production Time

I hope this is the appropriate part of the forum.

I already asked about the proper calculations for production cycles here. As stated, for most tribes the correct times are missing and/or they are wrong. So my Idea was to calculate the correct times first and secondly update the Tribal Encyclopedia and add the missing ones.

I would propose is that the results for the total time and average time are added in the respective init.lua files as comments.

For the barbarian bakery:

   programs = {
      work = {
         -- TRANSLATORS: Completed/Skipped/Did not start baking bread because ...
         descname = pgettext("barbarians_building", "baking pitta bread"),
         actions = {
            -- time total: 67,2
            -- average: 33,6
            "sleep=20000",
            "return=skipped unless economy needs barbarians_bread",
            "consume=water:3 wheat:3",
            "animate=working 20000",
            "produce=barbarians_bread",
            "animate=working 20000",
            "produce=barbarians_bread"
         }
      },
   },

For buildings with multiple products like the barbarian axe_shop it would look like this:

   programs = {
      work = {
         -- TRANSLATORS: Completed/Skipped/Did not start working because ...
         descname = _"working",
         actions = {
            -- time total: 238,8
            -- average: 79,6
            "call=produce_ax",
            "call=produce_ax_sharp",
            "call=produce_ax_broad",
            "return=skipped"
         }
      },
      produce_ax = {
         -- TRANSLATORS: Completed/Skipped/Did not start forging an ax because ...
         descname = _"forging an ax",
         actions = {
            -- time total: 76,6
            "return=skipped unless economy needs ax",
            "sleep=36000", -- +10 enlarge
            "consume=coal iron",
            "playsound=sound/smiths smith 192",
            "animate=working 28000",  -- +6 enlarge
            "playsound=sound/smiths sharpening 120",
            "sleep=9000",
            "produce=ax"
         }
      },
      produce_ax_sharp = {
         -- TRANSLATORS: Completed/Skipped/Did not start forging a sharp ax because ...
         descname = _"forging a sharp ax",
         actions = {
            -- time total: 79,6
            "return=skipped unless economy needs ax_sharp",
            "consume=coal iron:2",
            "sleep=37000", -- +11 enlarge
            "playsound=sound/smiths smith 192",
            "animate=working 30000", -- +8 enlarge
            "playsound=sound/smiths sharpening 120",
            "sleep=9000",
            "produce=ax_sharp"
         }
      },
      produce_ax_broad = {
         -- TRANSLATORS: Completed/Skipped/Did not start forging a broad ax because ...
         descname = _"forging a broad ax",
         actions = {
            -- time total: 82,6
            "return=skipped unless economy needs ax_broad",
            "consume=coal:2 iron:2",
            "sleep=38000", -- +12 enlarge
            "playsound=sound/smiths smith 192",
            "animate=working 32000", -- +10 enlarge
            "playsound=sound/smiths sharpening 120",
            "sleep=9000",
            "produce=ax_broad"
         }

The 3,6 seconds it takes for the craftsman to transport every produced item to the flag is also included in this calculation. I think having the total and average time in the lua-files is a good starting point. It also would also simplify the second step, adding the correct values to the Encyclopedia. What do you guys think about this idea.

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I had an idea about testing the timing in real game, but I had no time to do so. And after some time I have spot that most of them can be taken directly from the lua code. So my experiment is useless now. OK, for most of cases. Farms, woodcutters, foresters, etc. have some more details about how they work.

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Is there a list of production times that are going to be changed? I assume the frisians times are still under development so I won't touch them. But what about the other tribes?

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The best thing would be to parse the production programs in the C++ code and calculate everything there - we haven't found the time to do so yet though.

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stonerl wrote:

I started with the Atlanteans' , but I ran into some problems. How should buildings that produce multiple wares be calculated? Here are the times for the crystal mine:

``` -- granite, quartz and diamond needed -- total time: 371 -- average granite: 41.2 -- average quartz: 92.8 -- average diamond: 185.5

        -- only granite and quartz needed
        -- total time: 255.2
        -- average granite: 31.9
        -- average quartz: 63.8

        -- only granite and diamond needed
        -- total time: 255.2
        -- average granite: 42.5
        -- average quartz: 255.2
        -- average diamond: 127.6

        -- only quartz and diamond needed
        -- total time: 231.6
        -- average granite: 57.9
        -- average quartz: 77.2
        -- average diamond: 115.8

        -- only granite is needed
        -- time total: 139.4
        -- average granite: 27.9
        -- average quartz: 139.4

        -- only quartz is needed
        -- time total: 115.8
        -- average granite: 38.6
        -- average quartz: 38.6

        -- only diamond is needed
        -- time total: 115.8
        -- average granite: 115.8
        -- average diamond: 57.9

```

Maybe one could just write something like: The crystal mine performs three different kinds of actions.

Action 1: Mine needs 27.9 seconds to produce granite and 139.4 seconds to produce quartz

Action 2: Mine needs 38.6 seconds to produce granite and 38.6 seconds to produce quartz

Action 3: Mine needs 115.8 seconds to produce granite and 57.9 seconds to produce diamond

and these are the ones for the smelting_works:

``` -- iron and gold is needed -- total time: 190.8 -- average iron: 95.4 -- average gold: 190.8

        -- only iron is needed
        -- total time: 127.2
        -- average iron: 63.6

        -- only gold is needed
        -- total time: 63.6
        -- average gold: 63.6

        -- iron_ore is missing
        -- time total: 73.6
        -- average gold: 73.6

        -- gold_ore is missing
        -- total time: 137.2
        -- average iron: 68.6

```

A hint: The smelting works are about to be simplified (there will be no difference whether one ore is missing or not), so it will be (maybe) sufficient to say that they need 63.6 seconds for smelting a metal and that they prefer to smelt iron in 67% of all cases.

This applies to all tribes and all buildings that produce multiple wares (I just chose those to as an example). The Atlanteans tool-smithy for example needs the same time and produces the same amount. I think it does not need to be as detailed, since it is unlikely that all 12 tools have to be produced constantly. So it is sufficient enough to say, that a new tool can be produced every 70.6 seconds. Without specifying the tool.

Yes

But maybe I'm just overcomplicating things...

I'm not sure, because the crystal mine isn't a simple building indeed.

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