Topic: internet gamming is too difficult to start
Vassili
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2015-11-04, 23:53 UTC+1.0
The document you requested was not found.... You went astray somewhere.... I forgot what %2520 character is. 
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einstein13
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2015-11-05, 01:26 UTC+1.0
%20 is a space (%2520 is a mistake). I've renamed the page into one without spaces: https://wl.widelands.org/wiki/GeneralPortForwardingRecipe/ einstein13
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kaputtnik
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2015-11-05, 08:23 UTC+1.0
Thanks einstein13 I have linked your new page within InternetGaming.
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Vassili
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You don't say how to find your router adress (yes you do it, but the default, and lot of people don't have manuals (and don't search it if they don't search how to open ports) ), looking your current network settings on your PC will give the right gateway 100% sure. You advise people to use they router to do a static IP for they PC, instead of using theyr PC for that; in my opinion it's a very very bad thing.
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einstein13
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@kaputtnik: I did that too
Yes, you're right. But those people usually don't change any default settings. So there is no problem at all there. People who changed their default settings should know them or should know the way to get them.
Why it is bad thing? Is there any other way to push the router to do static IP for my PC? I can't see the other good way for that. If I have only one device connected to the router- it is ok. But if there is more devices, there is no certainty that the IP you want is free. Doing it with router settings will work for 100%, because the device that assigns IP "remember" that some IPs are reserved. einstein13
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Vassili
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2015-11-05, 21:41 UTC+1.0
"those people usually don't change any default settings. So there is no problem at all there." Do not changing settings do not mean you know what defaut settings is, completly not, it's often the opposite... For exemple you can have: 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.254 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.254 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.254 " Is there any other way to push the router to do static IP for my PC? I can't see the other good way for that." Ok, so you clearly know/understand nothing about network and computers... A router normaly do not decide what IP your machines will have, your machines are quite grown up for do it themself; a router is made for route, not for host. I already have explain how to do it on all Windows versions (yes, you don't read me), and on major GNU/Linux distribs with graphical interface, you generaly have an icon in the taskbar, for your network connections, just do something like right-click>modify. If I have only one device connected to the router- it is ok. If your router do not accept more of one machine connected, it's not a router, it's a bridge, some internetBoxes here in Europe are also dumbly configured by defaut for work as a bridge instead of a router, if you have that problem, it's another topic we need to do... "But if there is more devices, there is no certainty that the IP you want is free." Hum, do you realy think that if you configure YOURSELF a STATIC IP, you will forget it and put the same to another machine? Damn, like we say in France, you give me the stick for beat you. "Doing it with router settings will work for 100%, because the device that assigns IP "remember" that some IPs are reserved." Sure, doing it with the computer itself, do not work, and he do not remember his own configuration, stupid computer... are you using Apple products? lol
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einstein13
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I've never spot such a list. All devices I had in my hands, had only one IP (or no information - hidden by other company).
Maybe. I don't have to do that. I am working on other parts of computers. If you are a car ingeneer and you are working on engine, you don't have to know anything about weels except "it is working" and "how to use it". If you know much about network - congratulations. Make some fixes to Wiki page and don't blame me that I don't understand all things about computer communication.
Yes, I read your messages. I've never said that it is wrong. But some of your words are not clear to me (probably not that message, but previous).
I don't know where "I have only one" means that "I can't have more". Imagine that you are alone home. With only one laptop connected to the WiFi. This is only one device connected to the router. You can add other devices, but you have only one then.
No. I know that if I will configure MYSELF as STATIC IP and it will be the same configuration AS YOURSELF STATIC IP, you will have a conflict with me (IP conflict, not personal one Those are very basic problems with static IP from compuer side.
I've never said that doing it with computer itself will not work. And I don't understand what are you laughing at. (No, I am not using Apple products.) Also I will ask you AGAIN: Why making router settings is a wrong way? einstein13
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Vassili
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2015-11-05, 22:58 UTC+1.0
Ok, i think you don't speak of the same thing i was (the local IP of the internetBox).
And why do you think i'm answering to you whith explanation and exemples? I was not for the integration of this tutorial (who exist in thousands copies, general or for a specific configuration), but now the forum have it, so i explain to you what i think is the worst, like using dynamic static IP (who is a nonsense in my opinion).
If you say it.. I actualy use static IPs and dynamic IPs in same network without problems, and months ago i was using two internetBoxes on the same network without problems neither.
Just do your wiki like you started, i stop to discuss with it, i'm bored.
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2015-11-05, 22:59 UTC+1.0
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fuchur
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2015-11-05, 23:41 UTC+1.0
Ok, now I think I need to comment a bit on routers and IPs... It is right, basically a router is for routing and has nothing to do with assigning IPs. In the first step. But the common routers people have at home also work as a DHCP server. And in this function one can say that a router manages the IPs of your local network. Now if you have enabled the built-in DHCP server of the router it is a bad idea to assign static IPs at the PC and not at the router's DHCP server. Of course with only one or two devices IP collisions are unlikely, but you have to take care of it. Maybe by having notes in a table or on a sheet of paper. But think of a household with several people. That means maybe 2-3 PCs, several smartphones, maybe a tablet, TV, Blu-ray player, maybe the smartphones of friends, all connected by cable or WIFI. That means 10-20 IPs to manage.
All other ways are not safe and may lead to technical problems. Not necessarily, but it can be. Of course I didn't talk about the network setup where the router is just a router and somewhere else in the network is a separate DHCP server. An ordinary PC usually doesn't have a DHCP server. But people having that configuration usually know what they do and how to assign static IPs. I don't want to offend anybody. I just want to explain the technical details. And I do that stuff at home and did it in my former company. Have fun playing Widelands
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Vassili
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2015-11-06, 00:12 UTC+1.0
My english is very very very bad or what? what do you think i call internetBoxes? it's what you call a router with DHCp, it's a modem-router. I actually use DHCP for noobs who come at home, and for not configure machines of my clients (people). You say that the easy way is to configure a dynamic static IP, i don't see why, but we don't care. You speak of configuring an IP range in the DHCP range, that suppose the DHCP take the x.x.x.255 whole range, it's strange, in Europe it's opposite (and i will say logic), the DHCP is only a part of the 254 adresses. Desactivating DHCP at noob home would be a bad idea (exept if you will force it to think about and gain experience). Liek i said, i already have dynamic and static (2 servers, 2 clients, one portable occasionnaly, one NAS) IPs on my network, and no conflict. I normaly have put the static ones out of DHCP range, but i think DHCP don't assign existing IP, cause i never saw a conflict of it (exept if you change one machine to static when another already have the same IP on DHCP, you just have to reconnect it). We can debate of all of that (IP, port, etc) for long time maybe, that will prove it's not all general and not about the game itself. typing "port forwarding" on google... yep, thousands
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2015-11-06, 00:13 UTC+1.0
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But thanks!