Topic: Amazons balancing

OK, I've added quartz to some armours, and some rope where some more fine tuning of costs was needed. I reverted the total amount of gold to 3, so now they need 5 quartz and 3 gold.

I reverted the probability of empty goldmines to 5%, but kept the lower water consumption to not increase total water too much.

I also reverted rations from training sites, and added some extra fish/meat to bring it to the same level as other tribes.

I also reverted the amount of logs for a charcoal to 6, but decreased the time some more. I kept the rare tree kiln as it was. (I came to like it a lot, it just fits the tribe so nicely. And its total build-up costs justify the efficiency improvement. I think I'll be able to make the necessary changes to the blender models too, so graphics won't be a problem either.)

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hessenfarmer wrote:

However I still don't see the need for the selected firestones. I'd like to propose to have a normal charcoal burner as a second worker instead and add another quartz to the enhancement cost of the rare kiln instead.

A second worker would be as alien to Amazons as requiring experience for Atlanteans.

I may remove selected firestones though, if nobody likes the idea.

So I vote to see how the already commited changes work in the next tournamant round and if Amazons are still too strong we might have this branch in an instant.

Cool. Thank you.

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WorldSavior wrote:

We lack testing for the Amazons of the version tournament-round-4, but in theory Amazons should now be the weakest tribe by far, so I think that things got worse.

Do you mean they're weakest by far in current master (included in Tournament4)? But that didn't even get tested, because everybody is still playing with the T3 version. Or had they already been the weakest before adding quartz? But then why does everybody (including you) play them? When do you mean things got worse?

Sorry, but I also don't understand why you think they're weaker. Could you please explain what makes them so weak in your opinion?

So far (current master/T4) they only need quartz for some infrastructure (mostly tools, some buildings). The "running costs" (soldier training) only have 2 quartz for 1 fully trained soldier, and that only requires 1 piece of charcoal, while other tribes need 1 coal for 1 iron. So they're not even disadvantaged by not being able to mine coal in the end.

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Thank you for clarifying.

I won't rehash the arguments from the earlier discussion in this topic, so I only say that you seem to make the same mistake as the-x did, ie. comparing the new Amazons more to the old Amazons than to the other tribes.

As for the cost of quartz, it is indeed more expensive in total sum of basic raw materials than iron, but it needs much less processing, so the required economy size should be comparable. This is where testing is needed.

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