Topic: scenario AI
hessenfarmer
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Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2651  One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2017-01-30, 21:33
Hi thanks Tinker for giving some feedback. I had a look on the code and yes you are right in most cases.
You are right that was a leftover from previous version. Just forgot to change the message. Fixed that.
That's correct. Don't know how to change this without complicating the scenario. Any suggestions?
That is correct. Normally I was always able to get around 80% of the iron although. But now I created some more Building spaces on the Island, so it should work now. The AI is pretty fast advancing now so you have to advance fast on the northern island. If you sail to the west of your HQ you'll find a port space and after 2 times building a sentry youl should find big spots to build training buildings.
Have not updated yet. but fix is easy as you discovered. Any more sugesstions to the scenario? Hint for the maps: there is a second Spot for building a port on the northern island just sail to the east from your first port. This will ease the shortfall of marble a little. There is a little bit of gold and iron on the third island. As well as more space and stone fields. 
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GunChleoc
Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56
Posts: 3324 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect |
Posted at: 2017-01-31, 08:06
We have a new function
Busy indexing nil values
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Ex-Member
Joined: 2014-09-12, 09:53
Posts: 184  Widelands-Forum-Junkie |
Posted at: 2017-01-31, 10:19
I was used to them playing at the speed they did earlier so did not realise I needed to hurry my expansion, so got no iron and by the time I was constructing training sites the barbarians were already in sight. I'll try again and work faster this time.
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hessenfarmer
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Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2651 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2017-01-31, 22:01
@ GunChleoc: thanks for the hint with the new function I'll try this after an update to a newer trunk. But I think I will keep the current map uploaded as is to get as much players trying the scenario as possible. @ Tinker: As you gave a lot of feedback about the AI behaviour in previous versions it is to some extent your own "fault" that the AI is performing that good. ;-)many thanks for this. What could help is some feedback about the difficulty of the whole scenario now. In fact the only thing that is slowing down the AI now are lots of stones to cut and some lack of ressources. @ all: I really would appreciate some feedback about the scenario and or improvements to the map. I think the basic story is laid out but could be possibly enriched with suitable subtasks a little bit. e.g. (already implemented) Amalea is eventually giving you an advice that too many Military buildings would cost you to much building spaces. Is there something that could / should be added without overguiding or even worse annoying the player. Currently I'm thinking about the following messages/objectives: 1. saledus giving some warnings about your own speed of expansion when the AI reaches (a) certain point(s). just to create some tense. 2. Amalea gives you a hint to discover especially the port space in the northeast of the northern island and all other undiscovered items as well. 3. Amalea giving hints if critical wares are running out (marble, cloth, etc.) ( A nanny like this can be really annoying) 4. saledus reminding you to build training sites and weaponry (seems to be too annoying as this is far basic) 5. Hiding an artefact in the map to discover as a side objective. (could be explained by regaining the gods good will for the upcoming journey see introduction message) What are the thoughts of the community about this. regards hessenfarmer PS: Already have another story in mind to make an scenario from but still will focus on this one first.
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Ex-Member
Joined: 2014-09-12, 09:53
Posts: 184 Widelands-Forum-Junkie |
Posted at: 2017-02-01, 09:09
I appiciate that I shot myself in the foot by saying they were too weak to begin with This time through I tried to move faster and first contact was with some untrained barbarian soldiers which gave me more time to train as I had dispupted their production. I like all of your suggested enrichments, the nanny can be annoying but if you are controlling things then you do not get the messages. I was looking at some other training scenarios and noticed that often the players choice of buildings is limited to start and new possabilities are added as targets are reached, this might be a help. I once decided to start food production in advance for miners and training and the mill used all the grain before I had built enough wool. Preventing the mill and bakery until the wool objective is reached might be better, the same principal could be used to control the barbarian expansion, they cannot make bread until you can for example.
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Ex-Member
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Posts: 184 Widelands-Forum-Junkie |
Posted at: 2017-02-02, 10:45
I have just realised why life was easier after upgrading to 8267, the barbarians had expanded fast and had twice the land I had but most of their border military buildings were unmaned or only had one soldier. While building the training camps I decided to attack the east end of the north island, the lage plots there could be used for farms. With three towers I could attack his senties with a lager force and he only had 5 soldiers there spread betwen 10 sentries, there was no retaliation so I pressedd forward, cut his economy in two and destroyed his headquarters. It was then that I noticed I was not adding any soldiers to my economy. 8267 added barracks as the method of building soldiers instead of warehouses and the scenario setup does not add the barracks to either player, this needs to be corrected. As the player does not need soldiers until given the objective of defeating the enemy, after creating the port on the north island, it could be added to the list of building then. As many people may be playing the scenario as a tutorial they may take a lot longer to find their way around and achieve the scenario goals perhaps giving the barracks ability to the barbarians at the time you establish the port on the north island would also be good. They will have a lot more land and wares but their further expansion is delayed untill you are both in the end game.
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Venatrix
Joined: 2010-10-05, 19:31
Posts: 449  Tribe Member Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2017-02-02, 11:25
Hmm… That means the other scenarios and campaigns will need a rework too, because they don’t use the barracks at the moment. Edit: Bug is reported. https://bugs.launchpad.net/widelands/+bug/1661220 Edited: 2017-02-02, 11:41
Two is the oddest prime.
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Ex-Member
Joined: 2014-09-12, 09:53
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Posted at: 2017-02-04, 14:47
@Venatrix As far as I can tell all 'official' scenarios work as expected, barracks are available and used if needed. @GunChleoc Just how does new function produced_wares_count(what) work? I can find no documentation and trial and error I have not found a way to avoid the scenario crashing when it tries to check gold produced.
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Tibor
Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24
Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia |
Posted at: 2017-02-04, 15:42
as for produced_wares_count(what) , there are some examples in our testsuite, see here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~widelands-dev/widelands/trunk/view/head:/test/maps/plain.wmf/scripting/test_produced_wares_count.lua#L13 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~widelands-dev/widelands/trunk/view/head:/test/maps/lua_testsuite.wmf/scripting/gplayer.lua#L158
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Ex-Member
Joined: 2014-09-12, 09:53
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Posted at: 2017-02-05, 12:06
Taking, from the example pointed to, but changing log for gold this should work gold_count = p1:get_produced_wares_count('gold') but gives a nil error from global produced_wares_count. p1 is defined by p1 = wl.Game().players[1]
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