Topic: Depleted Mines
nilpotent
Joined: 2021-08-17, 00:43
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Posted at: 2022-02-15, 12:59
I wasn't aware that you could get multiple tries from each unit of food; I thought it was one-to-one. And, yes, I forgot to take into account that the Deeper Mine has a better success rate. That changes things considerably. If I my arithmetic right, that means there is a (0.9)^5 = 59% chance that the Meal will be spent without producing a (e.g.) Coal. So, each Coal will require 1/0.41 = 2.44 Meals on average. That isn't nearly as dire as what I had imagined, and a Deeper Mine is definitely better than a Mine when depleted, but the point is well taken: A depleted mine is still way more expensive than a well-resourced one. 
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2648  One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2022-02-15, 13:28
For sure getting minerals from depleted veins is much more expensive, as it should be. I frorgot to mention that the numbewr of attempts differ between different mine types as well. E.g. a coal mine has more attempts as a ironmine. I just wanted to make the point that you can't make any assumptions about costs from the information how fast at max a site can produce, if fully stocked. Edit: regarding your arithmetic. the attempts are not dependent on each other, so I believe it you need 10 attempts on average to get a coal resulting in 2 meals per coal on average. Edited: 2022-02-15, 13:32
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nilpotent
Joined: 2021-08-17, 00:43
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Posted at: 2022-02-19, 05:18
You are right; I had misunderstood. I guess I haven't paid enough attention, but I just spent a while watching mines and I see you are right. All this time, I thought one coal, etc., required one ration, etc. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Kontorotsui
Joined: 2021-05-20, 14:35
Posts: 35  Pry about Widelands |
Posted at: 2022-10-01, 11:02
This is interesting. Where do we get these numbers?
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2648 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2022-10-01, 13:37
currently only fromm the lua files of the mines.
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andreiosu121
Joined: 2019-02-17, 03:31
Posts: 12 Pry about Widelands Location: Romania |
Posted at: 2023-04-26, 03:09
I think that this issue also needs to be resolved from the AI side as well. Currently in all my games, (normal AI difficulty) the AI stops building its military after all of its mines have been depleted. As the player I know to keep my depleted mines running, however the AI deleted all of its depleted iron mines. I think that this should be changed, but I know it will probably be a long while.
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2648 One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2023-04-26, 07:28
That sounds indeed like a bug. For fixing iit a replay and a savegame together with the version used would be very helpful. Can you provide this information?
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andreiosu121
Joined: 2019-02-17, 03:31
Posts: 12 Pry about Widelands Location: Romania |
Posted at: 2023-04-29, 01:43
I just realized that I am not playing the latest version. I'll try to replicate the situation on the latest version and see what happens.
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