Topic: Efficiency of Scouting
hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
Posts: 2648  One Elder of Players Location: Bavaria |
Posted at: 2020-10-28, 12:34
we will have 5 of them pretty soon. And balancing should aim for having comparable overall chances. However they won't be equal in a single map.
this is not balance it is just simply design of the game. As this is very much dependent on personal preferences we are working on the addon system where users could modify this design to their personal liking in an even easier way then currently possible. 
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the-x
Topic Opener
Joined: 2019-01-19, 12:23
Posts: 967 One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2020-10-28, 12:43
Ecactly this is what is the most important thing. So we do need to look at all the components - and give them a strengh in probability. If we argue, Atlanteans are better on big maps, Amazons do need no gold or iron so are stronger on maps with less of Ressources, we shall carefully balance this macrobalance out. Maybe the advantage of no gold/ no iron leads to a 80% of winning the game whilst Atlantean Bonus on small maps is maybe only about 0,01%
+1 very good Idea Players should also in every game get the chance to decide between different strategies - i mean saying full hero is superior to every played strategy limits the real choice to 1.
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-10-29, 06:55
I wonder who is using a scout after all. I do not use a scout in any game. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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Nordfriese
Joined: 2017-01-17, 17:07
Posts: 1949 OS: Debian Testing Version: Latest master One Elder of Players Location: 0x55555d3a34c0 |
Posted at: 2020-10-29, 09:44
I never use scouts either. Except once in fri02 when 20 rations are not easily afforded.
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
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Posted at: 2020-10-29, 10:29
Well, scouting is useful in Multiplayer I think. In SP I don't use any scout either but in MP this is a different thing.
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-10-29, 16:06
Making scouting much more expensive will cause a player to not use a scout at all, imho. I like the concept of a scout, but since a scout isn't used much often, at least in single player, scouting should be much cheaper. Maybe he can be send at a flag, like a geologist, without cost? The scouts hut can be some sort of scouts training hut then. Training a scout cost two snacks? Just brainstorming Fight simulator for Widelands:
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hessenfarmer
Joined: 2014-12-11, 22:16
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Posted at: 2020-10-29, 16:13
the scout needs food to be feeded while scouting. So I wouldn't change anything at all. Which means keeping them cheap but with maintenance/operation cost ans relatively uneffective.
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Nordfriese
Joined: 2017-01-17, 17:07
Posts: 1949 OS: Debian Testing Version: Latest master One Elder of Players Location: 0x55555d3a34c0 |
Posted at: 2020-10-29, 16:30
The main reason why I don't use scouts is the inconvenience of having to build the building near the border, watch the scout a few times, and then dismantle the building again. Clicking on a flag instead of building a scout's hut would be much better. But it would overpower the scout if we don't need food for every scouting trip. How about having a scout's hut where food is stored and a scout lives there and does nothing; and when you click on a flag and choose "Send Scout" then a scout living in a scout's hut will consume a ration, walk to the flag, scout a bit, and go back home? Edit: Implementation-wise, we could reuse the geologist code for the walk-to-flag-and-do-something behaviour. The scout's hut would be a kind of recruitment site that turns carriers plus rations into scouts when the economy requests a scout, and the scout would become a carrier again after one round of scouting so he can't be reused. Edited: 2020-10-29, 16:36
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-10-30, 07:50
Sounds good, imho. Let him consume 2 snacks/ration because the scout has probably more area to walk (the roads until he arrives at the requesting flag + exploring).
That sounds wired. The time needed for exploring will be much more because the scouts hut is probably far away from the requesting flag. If a carrier must walk from a warehouse to a scouts hut before he get a scout, this needs additionally time. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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WorldSavior
Joined: 2016-10-15, 03:10
Posts: 2094 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-10-30, 08:04
Changing scouts or sight ranges of buildings is not necessary at all. Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked
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