Topic: I've discovered a cheater
Lerxst
Joined: 2020-05-15, 23:10
Posts: 16  Pry about Widelands Location: Chile |
Posted at: 2020-09-24, 13:09
/me grabs the popcorn In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big. -- Rush 
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the-x
Joined: 2019-01-19, 12:23
Posts: 967  One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2020-09-24, 13:27
I think this thread should be closed as its insulting
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king_of_nowhere
Joined: 2014-09-15, 17:35
Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2020-09-24, 14:04
perhaps. i could certainly find the number in the replay start file that sets the starting amount of gold in warehouse. i'm not sure if that gold will just sit there trhough the replay or it will lead to problems. in this second case, then no, tampering with a replay is not easily done.
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WorldSavior
Topic Opener
Joined: 2016-10-15, 03:10
Posts: 2094 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-09-24, 20:50
Watching a replay is like a new game is played, so the gold will certainly not just sit there as soon as there is a demand for that gold.
You insulted me, but that doesn't mean that the thread has to be closed. I didn't insult you, I just told some facts.
Be careful not to choke on your popcorn
Wrong, because there was a desync.
What losing are you talking about?
Of course! But you don't seem to have understood it.
Wrong. As I said there was a desync when you got the ware bonus by cheating. Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked
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einstein13
Joined: 2013-07-28, 23:01
Posts: 1118 One Elder of Players Location: Poland |
Posted at: 2020-09-25, 14:30
Not exactly, WorldSavior. Telling that somebody is a cheater in some cultures is very insulting. In your position, better is to ask "Is it a cheating?" instead of "I've discovered a cheater". That (in my opinion) was your mistake in this discussion. Facts are that the game got a desynchronisation and on The-X side some wares appeared from nowhere. Probable thing is that he had some scripts changed that lead to this situation. And his version of Widelands just used them. Speculations are that The-X cheated and he changed the scripts in purpose. That is what I can see as an observer. And to this whole discussion: I am not visiting this site very often and I was curious why in one of the best communities I have found so far, the word "cheater" appeared. And I was very disgusted of the level of the discussion. I felt like in mid-school where teens are shouting each other with no sense (even if the true is somewhere there). Is it a good idea to do so? I thought that better approach is to ask The-X to explain what that was. And not to judge directly in the first sentence. And instead of ping-pong of different accusations from both of you, say "sorry" for misunderstanding situation, forgive and go with peace? And the last thing: if you don't like the way the one is playing, why are you playing with him/her anyway? einstein13
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-09-25, 20:21
Thanks einstein13 for your words! I think this discussion leads to nothing, because no one can prove both assertions:
No one in this forum can prove those assertions. So this is a dead thread. I think we should close this thread, but i want to give the-x and WorldSavior a last possibility for a last statement. This offer last 1 week, or until both had written his last statement. Then this thread will be closed. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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king_of_nowhere
Joined: 2014-09-15, 17:35
Posts: 1668 One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2020-09-26, 17:00
I, for one, think it was useful to learn of this possibility of tampering with the game anyway. i do not think it will become a particular concern, except for advising people to stick to official release for "official" games
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kaputtnik
Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48
Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany |
Posted at: 2020-09-26, 18:42
I think there could be a a check for some kind of tampering: Creating a hash which is the result of the contents of the datadir (e.g. number of lines in all luafiles, sum of filesizes) for all participants. In a networking game the hashes can be exchanged and if there is a difference, inform all participants. Fight simulator for Widelands:
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Nordfriese
Joined: 2017-01-17, 17:07
Posts: 1949 OS: Debian Testing Version: Latest master One Elder of Players Location: 0x55555d3a34c0 |
Posted at: 2020-09-27, 20:55
This is not trivial to implement, but a good idea. I am sad that such a thing appears necessary though
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niektory
Joined: 2019-06-03, 19:06
Posts: 206  Widelands-Forum-Junkie Location: Poland |
Posted at: 2020-09-27, 21:25
This could be useful to detect accidental modifications but be aware that such file check would be fairly easy to fool if one wanted to bypass it. Edited: 2020-09-27, 21:32
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